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The Kurdish view of Middle Eastern politics

Location: Kurdistan - NOT IRAQ!, Kurdistan - NOT IRAQ!, Iraq

I am a 30 year old businessman in Hawler (Arbil, north Iraq). I have lived in Europe for almost 15 years, but now I work for a family investment company. Surely I would like to let know you people more, but I want to stay in once peace. I love bloging because it gives me the satisfaction to write about my thoughts.

Saturday, November 26, 2005

My intervention

- You are lost my friend. You are been fooled by ”westernars” and blinded by lust, said Sirwan.

- Get a grip of your life. You are going straight to hell. You are in the dark my friend, said Karwan with his worried eyes.

- We care about you and it’s now time for you to join the Friday prays, you kafir! You stupid man! Waving his hands in the air my childhood friend Miran.

Holey crap, this is an intervention. It’s not for my alcohol consumption or drug problems of any kind. It was for my lack of interest of Islam or anything that Allah might like me to do. I drink, I would smoke weed if I could get hold on it, and I would have extramarital relationships but my wife is all I will ever need of a woman. I lie at least 20 times a day (hey give me a break! I am businessman.) How can you not love sins?

- So that’s why you guys brought me over here? To turn me to a “muslim”? I replied.

We had a 5 hour discussion over God or Allah and still they did not manage to break me. I know Miran is mad at me since I told him about my thoughts.

I see their disappointment in their face. They did not manage to “change” my views. They are amazed by the things I say. Things like we cannot possibly be son of Adam and Eve. Things like we wore not the first creatures on this planet. The thing is according Islam dinosaurs did not exist. If they did actually exist then they will be the first creatures on this planet. And also Allah created the planet in 7 days but we all know that is impossible. I think science and religion are the worst enemies. According to Islam the world did not exist 200 000 years ago.

With all do respect, why do muslims want to turn everyone else to muslims?


Blogger Theway2k said...

Because their Quran commands it. I am a Christian, my Bible commands me to turn all people into Christians.

The difference: Quran says turn or die, Bible says Faith and not violence will save you. Too bad many Christians did not read that part of their Bible in history's past.

December 1, 2005 at 12:55 PM  
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Although the idea that someone or another created a universe that lends itself to explaination, but that entire explaination is a lie is sort of offensive.

or that the universe is so complex it must have had a creator.. which, of course, had to be more complex.. which would have needed a more complex creator, wouldn't it?

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Anonymous ALion_4THEDeen said...

As Salaamu Alaikum
I actually found this site by accident !I'm glad I did so I could join the discussion It's sad and pathetic that your friends and loved ones would try to force Islam on you,secondly this is addressed to (theway2k) Brother the quran does not teach muslims to kill a person if they reject the religion. I pray I can add a little clarity to this situation InshaAllah. First the prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon him) said "There is no compulsion in religion". If you are compelled to accept something or put under any duress or coercion your proclamation of faith isn't acceptable, why ? because it was'nt sincere, Allah asks for sincerity. Think, would the all knowing, all wise and most merciful punish you for rejecting what was forced on you ?Of course not and the sources that say this are untruthful.In Muhammad's life he never spoke about killing or punishing any of the Pagans after the non violent takeover of Mecca by the muslims, and these were people that openly fought against and killed muslims, he never mentioned killing or punishing and of the Christians or Jews that were residing in Mecca at the time. Allah teaches us to be "slow to anger and quick to forgive".Concerning your...vices I think you need spiritual guidance perhaps and most likely thats why your friends and loved ones tried to force the deen on you, it does'nt justify it at all because forcing someone to accept something usually pushes them further away from it. As I was taught if you want to make an enemy..."Try to change someone". Allah makes muslims not men, all we can do is show you the beauty of the religion the change is outside of our power. Try to get some help brother because what you've mentioned is a cycle of self destruction, if you would like to talk or anyone here would like to talk my email address is MrK_Mincey@hotmail.com.

Take care

October 25, 2006 at 9:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

They didn't force it on him. He's still around isn't he?

Nice quotes, I respect your knowledge muslim, but mainstream Islamic theology states that if there are conflicting sures then the latter ones take precedence.
That would be when Mohammed and his army was sacking cities and executing prisoners of war, and tribes and families and sending out assasins to deal with poets and philosophers who disagreed with him.

Sure of the Sword?
Anyway it's peculiar how those Sures appeared in the Koran at the particular time when, from a military point of view, it would benefit the conquest of Islam. Of course this is likely just Allah intervening for the sake of his military campaign. Yep, him being a profet you can't expect him to take the hard times with the good times like Jesus did (he got chased around a lot for his beliefs).

The Quaran is a bit vague on the 'horrible punishment not just in Heaven but also on Earth' but thankfully the Hadith enlightens us on what to do with believers who fall from the light.

Kill them.

This brings me back to when the Pope quoted a medieval text about how Islam is violent. One can say many things about the University of Kairo where the intellectual muslims (though few of them moderates, that usually goes by lines of national secularization then eudcation... as one might noe) dream of the ressurection of the Caliphate but one thing is for sure... grassroot islam did not react well on that day, in fact to deal with the affront of their religion being called violent they went and killed a bunch of Christians, preferably Catholic Christians, since it was the Pope.

Islam isn't violent at all, light of the world indeed. And the worst thing is, unlike most other religions across the world, the ones who kill in their name can actually justify MOST of their acts. Not suicide bombing maybe, or killing their own but if Muhammed was allowed to kill anyone he might need by divine commandment, as it became more or less necessary in order to up his chances of winning then I don't see why Allah would have a problem with letting his holy soldiers plant a bomb in Shia or Sunni neighborhoods to increase ethnic tension.

And the whole Sunni-Shia hatred thing going on? If Muhammed was still around he'd take a stick, side with the Sunnis and kill the Shias until they joined with him, because there are most Sunnis.

*sigh* pitiful warmachine he created, spoiling the beatifoul if heathen Arab culture.

November 23, 2006 at 8:01 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

My apologies, I know that the University of Cairo hosts a lot of radical muslim theologists. I'm not sure if they dream of the Caliphate though, but it certainly one if not THE beating heart of the educated Islamic World. If anyone is mainstream in Islam it's them, so instead of listening to my antagonized words just check up on the Islamic University of Kairo, like go there and tell them you've fallen from the faith, refuse to rejoin it and see what reaction you get.

*remembers story about man who fainted when his son told him he was no longer a muslim. The son ran for his life. When his dad woke up half a minute later he got his gun and shot after him. The son got away though. He wrote a book about it.

November 23, 2006 at 8:07 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyway, there are plenty of Sures that exhort the followers to slay the enemies of Islam, in more or less moderate and extravagant terms. The suicide bombers of today are out of line with the Quran, but not by much.

November 23, 2006 at 8:10 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh yeah, I can back up Mrk's words on Muhammed not sacking Mecca. I believe he made the holy city he got kicked out of his capital.

Sure, he didn't sack Mecca but what about the little six-year old Jewish girl he showed mercy too? After killing her entire clan he had the choice of either executing her as well or marry her. He chose to show mercy, of course with culture back as it was then he had to consumate the marriage on the same night.
Personally though, I think he could have spared his prisoners.

Wheter you believe Muhammed was teh Profet or not, he was a warlord who got down and dirty. I suppose if you believe in Islam his actions were justified but don't kid yourself by thinking he was Mr. Nice. He wasn't, not if you go by mainstream scientific and historic sources. Not to mention Islamic books date approximately 100 years back or more (compared to some Christian NT books that date 30 years back) so it's not too easy to be sure.

Now granted, back in the day, people thought a lot of the Bible was dated to a later time and didn't believe history from the OT and were proven wrong later. This could happen for Islam and the vaunted Islamic Left and Liberal Moderates and you could actually be proven right by those making lies or whatever thingamajig you want to call it... it's commonly respected science.

Muhammed was a warlord as well as a prophet. I think that's a pretty neutral statement. I KNOW it's correct. And by warlord of the seventh century I don't mean a guy who didn't cut corners on ethics. That would have... made it hard to survive in the military enviroment and required divine blessings?

Meh, maybe you'll be proven right and I'M the one going to hell. whatever


But since I'm doing my job as a Christian I better get to it before you hate me too much.

Jesus loves you.
You have vices yes. But in the bible you can drink as long as you do not get drunk and out of control, the rule is to drink responsibly. You can smoke pot if it doesn't harm yourselves or others but if it breaks the law it is against the Bible. Jesus respected the law and paid his taxes. Don't cheat on your wife, God gave her to you and she is your rib. You don't replace your rib with another, but hey, if she's enough of a woman for you I guess it's not really a problem.

What was the rest? Eh, lying. Now the Bible clearly says that all liars have their place in the lake of eternal fire, so don't lie.
Also, JEsus grants eternal life with him through forgiveness since we're all bad people, you don't EARN it like through ISlam which is impossible. No amount of good acts can redeem bad ones and make us worthy of heaven, that's why God is the only holy one. The only Good one.

Also, 'mmm what can I say to convince you?

Stick with Semmitic religions, check out the OT, it has a ton of prophecies about the coming of JEsus, get a Bible Handbook, research the bible in depth.

Eh, it's not my job to convict anyone, let the Holy Spirit do it.

It's bad if I offended someone but let me say it straight out: I believe Muhammed was a murderer who fabricated religion for his goals of conquest. It is hardly... the humble prophet that comes out in the Sure he writes solely to tell his guests indirectly that they're bothering him too much. Not so godlike behavior. So he went with monotheism in the end and lots of lawful discipline. IT suited him, it was more powerful then polytheism, lawfulness lends itself to a good army.

Research islam and see... if it does not fit well for the creation of a warmachine.
Muhammed was a genious.

I have a somewhat... fragile... psyche, so I won't be back to check replies.

I think it's ISaiah 53 or 57, something about God's suffering servant.

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